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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: Ill

No freaking way.

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

it's really odd. mike hucakbee at least only stayed in the race as long as he had a mathematical chance of winning. clinton has no chance -- even including florida and michigan. so what's her rationale at this point?

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: Ill

Maybe she thinks the whole never giving up thing is a virtue? Despite the lack of grounds in reality under the circumstances.

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: dustybooks

don't give up
ur not beaten yet
don't give up
cause somewher theres a place
where we bvelong

"...and a bowling ball that generates electricity!" bloop bloop bloop BLOOP BLOOP BLOOP bloop bloop bloop BLOOP bloop BLOOP bloop BLOOP bloop bloop BLOOP BLOOP bloop BLOOP! Someday...

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

MSNBC on-air ppl are openly saying that it is over. keith olbermann, chris matthews, tim russert ("we now know who the democratic nominee is"), and even chuck todd are saying that "it's over."

clinton has cancelled her TV apperances that were scheduled for tmrw AM, as well as her public events.

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

drudge headline: "THE NOMINEE"
huffington post headline: "PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE"
SEIU releases press release calling obama the "presumptive nominee."

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: Genius

yahoo, we did it. we did. we sure did. we did it. obama is the nominee. we did it.

Ooh Mama! Ooh Mama!

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: Ill

Most pleasing.

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: emaline03

I'm pretty surprised that he took NC. My in-laws live there and are part of a pretty big group (of senior citizens) who are for Hillary. I guess I forgot about the racial makeup of the state.

Now, how will our brave gal make the step down and save face?

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: guiltywhiteboy

her political posturing is so brave. And you're right, only black people vote for obama.

it depends on your standards.
-webb

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: emaline03

I didn't mean to infer that only black people vote for Obama. But older white voters don't trust him. Lots of other white, hispanic, asian and other ethnicities vote for him, too. Even women vote for him.

I didn't. I voted for Gravel.

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May 7th (9 days ago)
Posted by: guiltywhiteboy

haha i love gravel

it depends on your standards.
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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: dustybooks

i almost lol'd at My Polling Place when i saw gravel's name even though i knew it was going to be there

gd sucks like u cant Even proof it...duh)

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: LifeOnaPlate

Hillary isn't going to concede yet, she seemed to talk as though she actually won something last night, as did her on-air pundits on CNN.

Geep: Are you saying if the numbers from Mich and Fla counted it still wouldn't matter? Where can I read up on that with some data?

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

i used slate magazine's delegate calculator to arrive at that conclusion:
http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

counting delegates is tricky for a number of factors (not the least of which that not all delegates are awarded by the popular vote -- this is how obama lost 6% in the popular vote in NV, but actually won the delegate count 13-12, for instance), so "delegate calculators" are really rough approximations. but they're nonetheless useful in showing how impossible the math is for the clinton campaign.

if you give her every contest remaining 60-40, plus MI and FL 60-40 (which is entirely unreasonable as she did not win 60% of the vote in either state, and no agreement regarding MI and FL would award her such a share, but let's just use it for argument's sake), she is still 49 pledged delegates behind.

take out MI and FL, give her every remaining race 80-20, and she's still behind by 36 or so pledged delegates.

there is no plausible mathematical way by which she wins the pledged delegate count.

of course, if she swept the last six contests 60-40 or 80-20, or by any margin, really--essentially an impossible scenario--then she'd at least have an argument to make to superdelegates. as it is, obama's pledged delegate lead is insurmountable, and it looks like he will secure a majority of pledged delegates on may 20, when oregon votes.

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

barack tips 900%... on a PBR, lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2008/05/07/holy-schlitz-obamas-a-big
-tipper/

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: +88 Kickin Keys

Who'd you rather drink with?
Barack 68%
Hillary 32%

HELL YA

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: LifeOnaPlate

sounds like borok obama needed the vote

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: +88 Kickin Keys

i think those are funny results given obama's supposed problems relating to "normal folks"

speaking of which, I hear a lot about his trouble with the "working class", and it struck me how funny a phrase that is. are people who aren't in the "working class" the unemployed??? or is "working class" another name for "blue collar"? if that's the case, it seems a bit unfair - i am not in a blue collar job but i certainly work for a living.

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May 7th (8 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

not to mention he's done REALLY well with ALL black folks, many of whom are presumably blue collar, working class folks.

obama has not done as poorly with white ethnic voters as clinton has with black ethnic voters. but the media takes obama's winning of the black vote for granted, despite the fact that he lagged in every public opinion poll in 2007. the real underreported story of this race is how the clintons lost the black vote.

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: gooseman

the australian reported that it looked like she wuld concede./

-HEY-
don't you do cocaine at me you son of a bitch

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: caats19

dat whore needs to already

if i see fucking pubes sprinkled on the toilet seat, i'm gonna fucking lose my mind! last time i went to the bathroom, i took a shit, my shit looked like a fucking stuffed animal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: Ill

Grant, if you follow Max Weber's theories on class and social stratification then the line between working class and middle class can depend on, for example, if your position requires certain skills or qualifications. So, for example, a mechanic who worked on jumbo jets would be higher in the strata than a white collar mail-room clerk. The way the term gets used generally, though, I think refers to manual workers, which as you say is entirely misleading. From a Marxist perspective, we'd basically all be the working class, unless we own the 'means of production' (these days that would mean corporate or small business)... which isn't entirely inaccurate, since if your work is producing a profit for someone else while you're on a wage, then yeah, you're working class.

There's even a strata for the unemployed, since some have better chances of employment (they may have skills or qualifications) whilst others who are 'perpetually unemployed' or dependent on welfare make up an emerging 'underclass' (rather than working class).

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: Nepenthe

http://www.drudgereport.com/tma.jpg

+DrewMG +KickingKeys88
Humm
Are they brothers?

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: gooseman

i have no skills and get paid better than some uni grads!!!

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: Ill

What do you do?

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

haha, that's gr8 k8.

it has an asterisk next to winner, and at the bottom it says "*Really, we're pretty sure this time."

it's kind of crazy to think that he won this nomination.

i have to say, i don't think it would have been possible without iowa. it all goes back to that night. one clinton advisor said in some news article that they lost the race in february, which is true. but it wouldn't have even been close if obama had not won iowa. it all started that night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: +88 Kickin Keys

it's kind of crazy to think that he won this nomination.

but we've really known that his lead was insurmountable for weeks, haven't we?

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May 8th (8 days ago)
Posted by: LifeOnaPlate

Hillary still kind of acting like she's still in it to win it. Luckily we still have this video to propel her campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UefSpWGD19k

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May 8th (7 days ago)
Posted by: !gas!panic!

but we've really known that his lead was insurmountable for weeks, haven't we?

yeah, basically since his run of 10 straight victories in february. the math was really tough for clinton even before ohio and texas.

but there was still a chance that, if she started racking up victories and showing "momentum," she wouldn't overtake him in the pledged delegate lead but she would a.) keep him further from a majority of delegates, b.) narrow the delegate margin between the two, and c.) win enough superdelegates to lock up the nomination.

i mean, obama just went through what was easily the worst month ever for his campaign. and he outperformed everyone's expectations. if she had pulled off an upset in NC, and had a commanding win in IN, there is a chance that she could still get this nomination.

as it is now, the press is piling on her and essentially declaring it over. (plus my point was more how long his odds were, and how awesome it is to beat that conventional wisdom.)

in short, that would have been counting our chickens before they hatched.

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